About a year ago, I was anxious that an upgrade from the Visual Editor Project might be included in the Eclipse Europa (3.3) release…
I’m a big fan of the portability, speed, and general native feel of SWT, and I’m generally a fan of the Eclipse setup. I’ve also done a good bit of C# stuff for hacking out GUIs for one-off apps. It’s actually easier than dealing with console scripts and you can hand off an .exe to let someone accomplish something without a proper shell. Given that working with Sakai is pretty Java-intensive, and that I was bouncing between OSX/XP, I figured these lightweight admin-style GUIs could be hacked together in SWT… Boy, was I wrong.
I admire the complexity of a GUI builder that generates all kinds of layout code, etc. It’s definitely not something I want to take on as a project right now. But, I’m pretty frustrated with the VEP. It missed the Europa bundle — no big deal, I thought — “there’ll be a package soon enough; this is important stuff”. Along comes October (three full months later), and this is posted on the main page:
To my knowledge, this is the only official status update from the VEP since. While scraping the blogs and forums, I found one guy who seems to be maintaining unofficial builds, but I don’t see any active development at all. If you’re dangerous, you can check out http://www.ehecht.com/eclipse_ve/ve.html — he even has a Ganymede M3-compatible bundle — I’m too scared disinterested busy to spend the time.
And now that NetBeans has released 6.0 with cleaned up usability and the actually-funded Matisse, I’m really starting to wonder if I should give it another look. Another really cool feature I saw demoed was live model diagrams with full round-tripping right in the IDE. And they seem to have a BPEL designer integrated, which tickles my SOA side.
I’m not giving up on Eclipse, but I treat free software kind of like free agency: I use and probably contribute to what works for me. The adoption/switching cost is based on learning/porting time and, for an IDE, I figure that to be about two weekends of hacking to get productive. If I can crank up and save a few hours at a crack by being able to whip up a GUI and evolve a new data model with autodiagrams, it’s pretty tempting. -NB

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Hey Guy,
maybe its a little bit late but when I was looking for a VE solution for ganymede I found this:
http://ehecht.com/eclipse_ve/ve.html
maybe it will help you, with my configuration it seems to run nice…
greetings
kc.arbor
Hey,
maybe Netbeans provides matisse, but this means you have to use SWING! Oh, come on guys, SWING is slow and it feels alien on every platform.
Unfortunately, there seems to be no real up-2-date, working GUI builder out there. Again this is one point MS always managed beautifully… providing a more or less decent GUI builder.
Oh, btw. - I found sth. called Jiglo - did you try this one? I’ll try it asap… maybe this solves all GUI editing problems at once.
greetings
mydani
Follow the instructions at :
http://wiki.eclipse.org/VE/Update
Great!!!
THANK YOU !! You saved my day.
ehecht’s version works for me
I follow the instructions from this website http://wiki.eclipse.org/VE/Update, but still doesn’t work. I open eclipse, but I don’t see visual class.
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